Buyer's Excuses

Buyers ‘s usual excuses 😜

 

After preliminary Product and price information exchanges. 

 

He said:

 

1. Let me consider it. (Consider what?)

 

2. Reply you later. (Of course!)

 

3. Let me think about it. (Think what ?)

 

4. My wife just stopped me buying again. (Wife?)

 

5. Oh. I bought it already from someone! (Who can have better product other from me?)

 

6. I have no budget now. (It’s now or never!)

 

7. I am a student, can you reduce your price? (I know most students are very rich)

 

8. Mr. X is 20% cheaper, sorry! (I think I am Mr. X! Who else?)

 

9. I decided to wait for BaselWorld next year! (2021, or 2022?)

 

10. My wife has just got pregnant, I cannot buy now! (This is good one, but don’t know how many times he could use this excuses 😆)

 

11. This is a bad time, can you reduce further 20%? (When is a good time?)

 

12. I really love your watch, but yesterday I saw another one newer at same price!  (Really ?)

 

13. Oh I have to fly, wait for me to come back, can I transfer money as deposit to keep the watch? (of course, he did not come back with deposit, this is old tricks!)

 

14. More excuses ? Hahaha 

 

Laugh for the days , most of my buyers are good friends and once they bought ftom me, they are addicted to buy from Me! Don’t believe! Try!

Have a Good day!


No worry, only few case like this.

HK Snob

It Happens!

Theses are some of the fact about what I have experienced over the recent five years.

Have you seen a watch that is brand new at Boutique that when you press the Chronograph button, it does not work?

Have you seen that when the salesman receives the watch from Swiss, that he find the second hand is dropped out under the crystal, that the watch is priced more than USD$200,000.

I have ordered an Pink Gold Automatic watch for my client in Philippines, and my sales manager at the AD called me,… I almost fainted, as he told me the watch does not work, It failed to move! That makes me shocked as I had only three days to find such a watch to deliver to my client… that watch is Selling at list price HK$251,000.

Have you seen that a Brand new top watch brand in the world. The client checked the watch at the AD shop, and surprises to find that there is an obvious scratch line on the solid gold rotor under the sapphire bottom plate? You would ask is that possible?

I have tried to sell a watch which has been using zenith movement on the chronograph function, that was a solid white gold watch with meteorite dial, when I tried to start the chrono counter, the hands did not move!

There is a prestige watch brand that is new and watch is not working the second day after the purchase…

It does not move at all after running for about 48 hours… even though you wind up the watch manually full, and it does not move… and they replace it to you free immediately.

So Next time when you buy a Watch no matter it is a Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Rolex, Vacheron Constantin… IWC, JLC… whatever….

You don’t assume that the watch is perfect, it may happen some of the things that you don’t want to, you don’t expect to… happen…

 

Check the function carefully, especially complicated watch with Chronograph or perpetual calendar function…

I like the watch that when I hold it gently and start to wind up the crown… after a few rounds, it starts to move by itself instead of applying jerking swing it to start! That is a good watch…

Well, there is over 2,500,000 * watches shipping to Hong Kong Every year, the failure rate is very low… may be 100* ppm.. so Hope that you don’t have that LUCK to receive such watches… (my estimated numbers only)

 

HK Snob

When , What, Why, Who to buy Watches



When, What, Who and Why buy Watch!?

There is a nice chatting with one Singaporean Surean about buying one branded watch in the cities. From what we know there may be a need to clarify some of the concern of what watches we should buy, when we should buy or who we should buy from?

Provided you are having no concern with money, well, you don't have to read this article as only people have limited resources for watch need to spend with caution.

Why we have to buy watches?!?

Simply because you need to buy a watch you like to have for investment, for rewarding yourself for the hard work after you get the bonus, or simply you feel itchy when seeing some of the beautiful watches at the window glass or on someone’ Swinging wrist in front of your eye contact vicinity.

When you should buy the watch?

Of source when the watch is selling at sales, typically for mid-low end one, there is Xmas sales less 30% to 40% for walk-ins, that is pretty good discount that normally we don't have mid-hi end watch, there is no special reason why they will give you special discount, so When?

Yes, when there is an exchange rate drops, such as 1997 When I was in Thailand that baht dropped 100% , I bought a Rolex lady DateJust, an AP, a Cartier at good price in one shot.

Now if you go to Japan, you should be still able to enjoy as Yen has dropped to hell low as with US  Dollar has been pegged with HK Dollars since 1985.,

And You should act fast as most of the people buys the hot GMT master II Black Blue, Daytona Black or White, Submariner Hulk or Black, after a few months, I believe there will be harder to find these watches any more.

Who to buy from?

There is people scare to buy watches from Parallel Import Source, as they feel that an office Authorized Dealer look more comfortable to you, Yes, of course, If you go to Cartier, Chanel, Rolex, Patek Philippe Boutique the way they serve you make you feel like you are King! Of course don't expect they give you a lot of discounts.

How about parallel importers of grey dealer watch? No, they are not official dealer, but as far as I know, many of them were taken out from Watch from AD!, and some of them are very powerful watch Dealer.

Their watches are authentic watches with price less 20% or even more! However they usually do not come with Box, or pay a few hundred more for a Box.

What is the concern if you buy from Grey dealers?

1. Go to shop/Person that has good reputation

2. You know him/them well/ highly recommended from Social Media

3. They usually take CASH only, no card accepted

4. Box with additional Charges,

What to buy!?

That really depends on what you are looking for!?

But One thing that can be as a hints, some of the hottest model is not necessary hot in other country, such as Deepsea, Yacht master II steel and two tone and there is a lot of DeepSea in German,  Sweden and Finland, so that you can buy at a bigger discount there.

Where to Buy?

As there is no tax for watch in HK, naturally, buying in HK might be one of your consideration

and That is why there is almost 90 AD shops selling the Rolex in HK.

So in short what is the best value buy!??

These are some of the samples

DeepSea Ref 116660 black 44mm from grey Dealer (Official List price is $88,000)

Price at AD is $83,600 (5% Disc.)

Price of parallel is about $70,000 to $72,000 (20% off) full set box included

Ref 116680 Yacht Master Stainless Steel 44mm with Blue Ceramic bezel, (official List price $145,300)

Price at AD is $138,035

Price of Parallel Watch is about $116,300 – $115,000 (less 20%)

Ref 116520 Daytona Black list price $90,000

Price at AD is about $97,000 to 98,000 (+10%)

Parallel Watch price is about $90,000 to 92,000 full set.

It is not uncommon that sometimes an official Rolex could be cheaper or similar price of a Parallel watch of hot sport model.

Note, some of the parallel watch network under promotion that offer a brand new Watch Winder as gift with watch purchase.

HK Snob

PS , this is purely personal opinion to share with you.

and the watch price quoted is an estimation for your reference only as different network may have different price.

試過消費時要受氣嗎?

 買東西時層經受過氣嗎?
七五年，年青時去買Nikon FM 相機，我當時問: 可否拿那FM 相機給我看看?
但得到店員相關的回應; 這架相機要一千七百元喎!
說話好不客氣! 當然無得我睇喇。
結論: 吾想賣比我，死窮鬼!

昨天，去權記看錶後，住前一段路的一家古董錶店，看中一支派克(Parker) 帝國大廈墨水筆，叫店主拿給我看，他想了一想，打量一下小弟，(小弟弟!)，他講: (這支筆五千五百元架!)
他當然沒有拿給我睇喇!

我分析，店主對我作了一個資產審查，覺得我在混吉的，或者都覺得我買吾起五千五百元的泒克筆。

今日還有部份的店主店員的服務態度真是不談也罷。
我亦聽到有一些香港勞友說到某勞力士錶店受了些氣，什麼?今天有人拿幾萬元來買錶重要受氣，吾奇呢。但據我了解，是極少數!

第一，他們怕人來講價，
第二，買的錶價不高，他可能拿不到傭金。
第三，他剛剛輸了錢! 
第四，他吾打算做了!
第五，又係見鬼!，同我一樣見窮鬼，又黎混吉!

有無想過我地身身苦苦省了十萬八萬，買件似D樣的手錶考敬自己過去一年的被老闆糟質, 折磨，拷問，凌辱，出去買隻錶都重要受氣?

Tom Ford designer' s bag US$32,500.

有人講吾會的，噢，名咀 Orpah Winfrey 都在瑞士都要受氣! 店員話: 你買吾起那手袋的!.....

我有幻想，有一大熱天跑進一錶店，女店員遞上泡有4711 的汵毛巾，幫你拭汗，另一員拿出五十年寶利茶親手沖比你飲，水是用金山山水，味清甘霖!

另一女店員前拿錶給你試戴，另一錶員同你按按背，店員說，錶先拿去用三天，滿意才回來碌卡!

I have a cream....! Sorry dream...才對!

HK Snob
香港港燦勞奴
HKWF

WIS and RPR

Learnt from Suzanne Wong of Revolution Asia Magazine the terms WIS (Watch idiot Savant)

Yes, I am a Watch idiot but not a watch savant! There are a lot of watch savants in the world.

However, I think "WIS" is a nice term to describe those people who love watches...

Friend of mine talked to me his friend has a lot of Rolex, probbaly 30 Piecs of White Gold 1803 of different colour, I think he can join this RPR, Rolex Passion Report club!

http://rolexpassionreport.com/15749/rolex-passion-meeting-2014-yet-blast-thank-guys/

You may feel the same as me to open my eyes to see so many good stuff they have!

Hey, does not matter, there is always a higher mountain, there is always a Richer people, there is always having people who has 5,000 Rolexes...It is odorous to compare!

Sometimes it is a pleasure to see how many good stuff someone has. From there the more I learn, the more I feel I know nothing. More watch one has, more humble he behaves as he knows there is a lot of big mountains in this world.

Have Fun on what you have!

HK Snob

Watch Fever

HK Kong Tsaan

細數香港六七十年代名錶

Cyma司馬錶
賭仔大忌，瑞士"輸馬錶"，影响至深，直到今天，你在馬會馬場內也找不到此錶的影踪!

Citizen星辰錶
吾知邊個衰神改其錶名"衰神表"國內叫"西鐵成"，吾知同中國近來的"向西"文化有無閒係呢?

得其利是Tugaris

"戴瑞士得其利是，利利是是"。成功的名字。

Octo樂都錶
瑞士樂都錶，報時準確!

Technos.悉奴時
身為下屬戴最好，悉奴時，悉撈之士也!

Orient 東方錶
這和香港東方錶行無關係的，東方錶是一家老牌日本製錶公司。好準的又好實用的。

Sandoz山度士
有別Cartier的 Santos, 一家生產四線的錶品牌，現在已不是瑞士做了，在上海街一帶仍有錶店設有山度士的專櫃。

Rodania 雷電錶
你見過未?，你層經戴過未?

Vacheron Constantin江絲丹頓
六七十年代氣勢盍天的名表，怎致無和Patek Philippe不分伯仲，後來來港表叔稱之為"勞絲丹頓"，前國家主席温家堡手上的名錶是也。

Favre-Leuba非凡錶
我好中意錶面那行字仔。錶名亦改得好聽!

Enica瑞士英納格錶。有人話: 戴英納格，無尼貴格!
戴英納格人仕曰: 英納格，夠型又夠格!

Titus鉄達時
八十年代的"天長他久"係例。謀殺了不少二多歲年青人的苛包，男女各戴住一隻對庄的錶，有人重竟然同時穿上情呂裝，真係羡殺旁人。而家鉄達時錶面已找不到Swiss Made 字仔。大家明喇!

Longines浪琴錶
六十年代做得好成功下。八十年代康卡斯石英錶Conquest RHP，用钛和黃金打造，又薄又準，五年不用換電，錶名靚，又浪漫，浪琴令女士想起"浪人"，即吾洗負責任，趙完鬆果隻，又想起"吹口琴"，好多性幻想啊! 好名，好錶，有味!。

Omega阿米加
一度比勞力士訂價高的錶。六十年代阿米加是錶中之皇，Constellation 5 星八卦面18K。今日來看重係禁靚。六九年登陸月球把阿米加品牌推到高峰。八十年後被勞力士的氣勢盍過了。

Seiko 精工錶
六七十年代最多水爺(海員)走水貨去菲洲，走Seiko 5號好好賺。而家重有自動的精工5賣，真係史上最長壽的生產手錶!
當'年電視精工錶廣告: 精工錶，任撞任浸!

IWC 萬國錶
上年紀的極不喜歡這名字，原因同紅碪一XX館同名。有人建議IWC 改名。我建議除去中文錶名即可。或者叫"國際"，有"kor tsai" 好玩之意。

ROAMER 羅馬錶
瑞士的，並非意大利表，傳葉問戴過，而家是洪金寶做代言人。

Ernest Borel依波路
瑞士老牌四十到六十年代好行，近期品牌有所動作，有東山再起。依波路，性感名錶，寬衣後碧波大露!

Tittoni梅花錶
六十年代澳門綠邨講錯(廣播)電台廣告曰:
瑞士梅花嘜錶，梅係梅花個梅，花係梅花個花。

市井之徒或往澳門輸了錢的人齊說: 
類事梅花錶、梅係梅毒個梅，花係花柳個花!



問題A
那一隻瑞士名錶至今在港都仲未有中文譯名的?

問題B
為什麼吾講勞力士，大概你也明白。因為我已經講得太多了。

床邊耳語
男: 依波路，浪琴?
女: 要蕭邦嗎?
男 大悅!

註:
這都是六七十年代記起的住事，絕對無一些詆毀錶品牌之意。以上所有的錶，除了江絲丹頓外, (八十年代一隻"江山輸盡"實在好貴!)
其它全部都層經擁有過，粒粒都係好錶!


問題A答案是Swatch!

HK Watch Fever

HK Snob

Kung Fu Master Deg Student

Live Rich and Die Poor, not the other way round!

Content makes the poor man rich, discontent makes the Rich man poor.

- Benjamin Franklin Quotes

I enjoy the power of Money, and I am not ashamed to admit it, I had rather be a Rich Snob than a poor!

Whenever I can, buy me a gift as a catalyst to drive me work harder, make me happier. Of course at the end of the month, we should reserve certain saving for investment...

Not the other way round, only saving and investment but never spending money, that he will likely Lives Poor and Dies Rich!

I had rather to be Live Rich and Die poor, the spirit of snob!!

The upper portion of the picture is one rich Chinese wears Casio Watch, and a ragged khaki trousers, he earns $5M a year. Below is the HK Snob, or Kong Tsaan.

HK Snob

Some CULTURE that you may not be aware especially you are Foreigner in buying Pre-owned watch in HK

Many Foreigners coming to HK buying pre-owned watches in HK, from Singapore, Dubai, Thailand, Malaysia, Europe, Australia, Indonesia and Philippines…

There are a few things that we might need to know…

Usually they have not much patience in handling case that if they feel you are coming for "Price Check" only, or you have made them felt that you are Low-bailer. Before you go there, do some home work for that particular models , rough there is a more –or-less price Range.

If you ask this how much, OK, but once they feel that you ask this model, then other different model, they feel that you are not serious enough, they Will not welcome you… or at least they don't smile at you!!

The offer for discount in Shops in HK is valid only in that particular Encounter, the HK salespeople are moving fast and they don’t like non-sense, that hate people coming to ask discount and leave…unless you don't come back the same shop again…or they could not recognize you!

They will offer a discount to you provided you are a real buyer… they have experience to tell who you are and what is your intention from their years of sales experience dealing with various Customers.

They do it all same to Tourist, Gweilo, or locals, They don't like non-sense… Once when they feel that you will be buying, they will serve you well, this is true on those shops who have been in the market for many decades.

Next Time, when you come to those shops, remember this…

Normally we can get less 3% to less 8% depending on model or shops…

Very Exceptional cases, they offer discount more than 10%l, or you had better beware if you get more than 10% discount!

HK Snob

HK Watch Fever

HK Kong Tsaan 

Proposal Of Making Watches with Human Gene...

There are so many kinds of material have been used for making watch case since the last two centuries…

Silver, yellow gold, White gold, stainless steel 316L, 904L, Pink Gold, Platinum 950, Brass, Silicon, plastic, ceramic composite, carbon composite and  solid Sapphire case…

Audemars Piguet using composite material to make a watch case that takes a tedious process to manually inserting fibre into as watch mold, then apply pressure and heat to form the light yet strong material as case.

I got an idea that watch has become a personal touch of having some human Tissues, hair or human Waste… as part of the material of watch case…

Idea is from a French Artist who put his personal "Shit" into a Can and sell in auction, someone bid with few thousand dollars.

We had some Chemical analysis on those excrement found in tomb of the ancient Chinese Emperor to analyse what food they took back to their time thousand years ago.

So what if I get some of the personal genes from some of the celebrities to make the case!? After a few thousand year, probably with that technology, the extraction of the DNA could possible re-build the man/lady…

As far as I know if portion of the material can be used for the watch case is Bone, tooth, blood?

That could be mixed with carbon composite!

So if say Obama limited Version can be made with Carbon Composition to make an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak Off Shore Obama-President-limited version.

Hillary Clinton Hublot Big Bang Pink gold called Hillary-Secrets.

George Bush Audemar Piguet Royal Oak you can call it “Bush Desert Storm special”

What if we mix with Bush’s excrement to make the case? Shall we call it Buxx Shit?

HK Snob

Watch Fever

What is the upper limit of an Overseized watch!?

When did the watchmaking world accept the mantra of “The Larger is better”?

I’m a big fan of vintage watches, and find that a slim Audemars Piguet of 34 mm, I don’t mine the Royal Oak Jumbo 39 mm,  a Jaeger Le-Coultre Reverso of middle size, Rolex Day Date of 36 mm, Vacheron Constantin Overseas in 36 mm diameter looks perfectly for me.

Back to 80’s started as a fashion from Italy, men wore lady watch, I like the Boy Size Rolex too at that time...

No one know exactly when? May be 1995 and onward, some of the watch makers  tended to make watches of big size, massive, with thick metal, big Crown, complex Crown Guard lock up mechanism, wider strap of thicker material like your leather belt on your trousers!

Oh! it is a watch….It does hurt the feeling some of the fine Swiss watch makers used to make thinner and smaller watch movement?

I always appreciate thin manual winding watch that is below 5 mm, or an Automatic watch that is below 7 mm thick… they all look great! I believe many watch collectors agree what I am trying to say…

My point is,  say technically the bigger the watch, the easier it is made! The Higher the Profit margin only.

Nowadays, the watch goes crazy  with OVERSIZED diameter of 42 mm, 45 mm, 47 mm, 50 mm even 60 mm!? Is there a limit? 80 mm? or even 100 mm?

Is that a watch anymore? Who can use them? I believe you have to mount it on top of your sleeve. How can you INSERT that monster under the sleeve, particularly how when peeking from under a dress shirt cuff.  

I understand that sometimes it is hard to go against the current on what the trend of the majority of populace is. Like the width of the tie, the width of the collars, the diameter of your trousers bottom, type of glasses, hair style unless you want to stand out at the crowd as WEIRD, ABSURD, a DIFFERENT Look! But for an Oversized Watch, yes ,it would get someone’s response of “ WOW!!”

Sometimes it is needed for bigger watch as it can display more functions on it. It is easier for the older person to read.

Every time I go into a watch store to look at their wares, seems the watch grows bigger every year and next year’s flagship model will be the size of a coffee mug, or Wall Clock. There may be some complications that require such size and depth, but for the vast majority of populace that can’t afford or doesn’t want a Richard Mille, do we really need to carry an Anchor of harbor tug boat on our wrist to be considered a member of the horological caste?  

Well, since 2 years ago, it is nice to see some of the GOING SMALLER watch trend for lady…

WATCH is a reflection of your taste and Character… if you like is , no one would not disagree!

What if Rolex make facelifting design on Daytona with a Size of 46 mm, will you consider it a Future Classic!?

Yes, many people will buy if there is such a watch, but Rolex is very conservative to launch a big step changes on size.

For every 5 Day Date sold, only one Day Date II was bought by Asian, DD II may look matched for 6 footer.

Rolex biggest watch is yacht Master II of 44 mm, which is only 5 mm larger than the AP Royal Oak Jumbo 39 mm created 42 years ago!

My favourite Rolex size is 36 mm for me, and I think 31 mm is best for lady. Simply the Divine Proportions tell us....

HK Snob
HK Watch Fever

Voice for the Mainland Chinese...

I did see those rich people really toss their unduly request for more… there was furious guy on my left asked the Chief Purser to adjust the air con colder. She did but failed to meet his COOL requirement…He worn an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak stainless steel 44mm Chronometer.

The one on my right was a Gweilo Business man did the same to hang his legs up the partition in front of him, well, if he has Hong Kong Foot, definitely the stinky foot would spoil my appetite. He worn a Seiko 5 Auto stainless steel watch with a Silicone watch band…

 

Mainland Chinese has been labeled as rude, impolite, and

arrogant in recent years by many HK people.


To be fair to them, those are just the minority happened to be found in HK, remember 70% HK's visitors is from China.

Here we can see not only Chinese Tao Hu was reported having this bad habit, it is not uncommon to see Gweilo, Phlippino, HKer, Indian, American, Singaporean, whoever would likely behave this way. 

And I think that we should always bear in mind to be considerate and have certain etiquette no matter when, and where…

I am glad that we have the aircraft to be a non-smoking zone everywhere...

I am afraid one day we will be allowed to talk on mobilephone…then we will never be able to take a rest in the aircraft anymore!

HK Watch Fever
HK Snob

Everything goes Rental!

For almost everything , you can get rental in HK

Houses, VCD/DVC/Blue Ray/ , Hotel, Office, Chinese Wedding dress, Dragon Pheonix, double happiness 24kt gold bracelet ( I am not sur eif this is the proper name!) 

Rolls Royce wedding limo with driver, Luxaury Yacht, jet plane, Woman body as for some rich family’s daughter in law rental, but she must get a son or much lesser reward with offspring for a daughter…old Chinese thinking… son instead of daughter as the next heritage of the family’s wealth.

Old people teaches us don't rent as eventually you will get nothing. But somehow if current real estate price of HK remains high at this level.

I bet most of the current newly married couple has difficulties to buy a Love-Nest. Only remaining choice is to rent, at same time save up enough money for the down payment of their own home later…after several years…

Now a new category has joined the rental-rich trend: luxury watches.

A startup company called Eleven James has launched a timepiece timeshare that allows customers to get a new luxury watch every couple of months for an annual fee. The watches range in value from $7,000 to $50,000  or more, and include top names like Rolex, Audemars Piguets, Cartier and Patek Philippe.

Well, do you think you could possibly go into this RENT-A-WATCH!?

What if the watch was ripped off at corner of somewhere, or damaged accidentally, or spoiled inside a Sauna room? Will there is any argument of fraud cheating on the Expensive timepiece?

Well, there is an estimated 40% unhappy HK people borrow money from Bank for overseas tours, and more and more people will tend to spend their saving for some short term enjoyment!? Look at those hundred squadron of sex soldiers running to North after Friday evening for a paid one night stand at KTV…Sauna Clubs.. that could be an estimated expenditure of HKD$50M!

Watch is not like home, car that you can USE it. Watch is one of your personal belonging, I would not rent a watch for 3 Months even it is 10% of the original selling price… It is too Expensive!

HK Snob