Rolex followed up the Explorer II ref. 16550 with the ref. 16570 in 1989.
It kept its 40mm size and stainless steel Oyster case and Oyster bracelet design.
New to the dial was the black outlines of the hour markers and against the cool white dial, the luminescent indexes really pop up. It is so called Polar!
Also new to the Polar ref. 16570 was the movement. Early models of the 16570 are equipped with the Caliber 3185 automatic movement, while later versions are powered by the Caliber 3186. Also found on the later versions of the ref. 16570 is the “ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX” engraving on the rehaut as an anti-counterfeit measure.
This particular ref. 16550 dates back to 1997/1999 so it’s powered by the Caliber 3185 and does not included the rehaut engraving.
Whether opting for a new vintage or the Explorer II Polar, these Rolex sport watches are a real take two.
Robust stainless steel coupled with a cool white dial and a bright 24-hour hand makes for a timeless sports watch that brings out one’s adventurous side.
Both exceedingly practical thanks to its time, date, and GMT-hand functions, and impeccably designed, the Explorer II Polar is a Rolex not to be missed.
Not all vintage Submariners are going to be practical for
everyday use. Some may be too fragile, others extremely rare or valuable.
However, there are many great vintage Submariner options that will hold up to
the rigors of daily life with reasonable price. One, in particular is the Rolex
Submariner reference 16800.
Rolex Submariner 16800
Submariner 16800 was first released in 1978 as an improved
version over the earlier model 1680. It remained in production for a full
decade until it was later replaced by the reference 168000. While it improved
substantially upon its predecessor, the reference 16800 is known as a
“transitional” Submariner to next model Reference 16610.
This model introduced Rolex’s caliber 3035 movement, and
added a quickset date function to the Submariner. The reference 16800 was also
the First Submariner to feature a sapphire crystal, and the first to benefit
from the improved depth rating (from 200 meters to 300 meters).
Rolex Submariner 16800
The Rolex 16800 was a breakthrough for the Submariner line;
however it retained certain key traits that linked it to its predecessors. Most
notable among these was the matte dial with painted hour markers. Some, very
late examples of the 16800 were fitted with gloss dials and hour markers
outlined in white gold. These are considered “less transitional” than earlier
models, and much more closely resemble the reference 168000 Submariner that
Vintage Rolex (VR)
Choosing a vintage Submariner over a new one is a great way
to maintain exclusivity and ensure that your Rolex Submariner is unique. While
not all vintage Submariners are practical for everyday use, consider 16800 is
using sapphire crystal for scratch proof, 300M water resistance, Quick set
date, and higher bph 28,800 with higher time keeping accuracy. The reference
16800 is a fantastic option that boasts contemporary specifications and
durability. Moreover, it is less been pushed to sky high the price.
A Submariner Ref 16800 is available between typically HK$58,000 to 65,000 nowadays.
1, Daytona 16520 A series no Paper $140,000 2. Submariner Hulk 116610LV BNIB $76,000 3 Submariner 16610LN T-25 dial with paper and Box $45,000 4. Submariner 16800 patina Dial watch Only $60,000 Year 1981. 5. Sea Dweller, 16600 Overhauled by Rolex, Changed with new Crystal, bezel insert. with RSC Paper $44,500 5. Submariner Kermit 16610LV Flat 4, Mint, full set $100,000 6. Submariner Kermit 16610LV Sharp 4. normal wear and tear lines on it, with Paper and Box $70,000 7. GMT Master Pepsi 16700, T-25 dial, with paper and box $55,000 8. Explorer II White dial 16570 watch only light polish $30,000 9. Explorer II White Creamy Dots 16570 Full Set $40,000 10. Vacheron Constantin Overseas black dial big date, with Box $60,000
I met two Philippine watch collectors in the hotel.
These are three watches that each carries a history of its
own, no one could not gree that they are master of Swiss Watches…
Patek Philippe (PP)
Polish watchmaker Antoni Patek started making pocket watches
in 1839 in Geneva, along with his fellow Czech-born Polish partner Franciszek
Czapek. They separated in 1844, and in 1845 Patek joined with the French
watchmaker Adrien Philippe, inventor of the key-less winding mechanism
Vacheron Constantin (VC)
The company was founded in 1755 by Jean-Marc Vacheron, an
independent watchmaker in Geneva, Switzerland. In 1770, his company created the
first complication, and nine years later he designed the first engine-turned
Audemars Piguet (AP) s
AP is a Swiss manufacturer of complicated
mechanical watches founded in 1875 by watch makers Jules-Louis Audemars and
These are their iconic sport designs till today.
PP Nautilius – Designed by Gerald Genta and launched in 1976.
AP Royal Oak – Deigned by Gerald Genta and Launched in 1972.
VC Overseas – Designed by Dino Modolo and launched in 1994,
and Chronograph was launched in 1999.
Basically they are automatic watch with power reserve for
about 40 hours
They are adjusted to 5 positions.
VC – 150M
Price PP s much more expensive than the AP and VC as it is
made of solid Pink gold.
Make your choice to take one you like, they are fine accurate
time piece that can service you for many decades.
Ref. 8171, Movement No. 56'924, Case No. 686'258, Circa 1951. 38mm diam. Sold for US$161,000 on 7 June 2016
A Rolex reference 8171 in stain steel that we sold at
Christie’s New York last June. A pilot purchased the watch in the early 1950s
and likely wore it for a few years until it stopped working for certain reason.
That is one of the most complicated watches ever made by Rolex and featured a
moon phase indicator as well as a complete calendar display. Probably due to
the complexity of the movement and the associated cost of servicing it, the
gentleman put it away and it passed down within the family unused for decades.
This Rolex stainless steel triple calendar with Moonhase and
patina. Signed Rolex, Perpetual, Precision, Ref. 8171, Movement No. 56'924,
Case No. 686'258, Circa 1951. 38mm diam. Sold for US$161,000 on 7 June 2016…..
Seems you don’t think that watch could hit that final bid amount the Auction!
It is due to its originality and Patina!
I open dictionary to find the meaning of “Patina”… Patina is
a green film formed naturally on copper and bronze by long exposure or
artificially (as by acids) and often valued aesthetically for its color, or a
surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use,
contacting the sunlight ultraviolet and or heat.
Eric Wind, Specialist in Watches in
New York, reflects on the move towards ‘honest’ vintage watches whose appeal is
enhanced by the ‘ravages’ of time:-
“One of the most interesting trend in vintage watch
collecting has been the desire to move away from watches that have been
restored and polished to look ‘like new’ in favour of watches in original
condition with honest patina. Nicks, scratches and fading that may have
developed over the course of decades of wear can enhance a watch’s desirability.”
This trend towards seeking honest patina has extended
worldwide, particularly over the last fifteen years, and is associated with a
massive growth in the number of vintage watch collectors. Many people are drawn
to vintage watches for the beauty of having something that looks old.
The concept that
collectors prize originality over restoration is one of the things that many
people find most surprising about collecting vintage watches.
Aged to perfection
The concept that collectors prize originality over
restoration is one of the things that many people find most surprising.
These are the points we might need to note when you get into
a Vintage Rolex.
Dial and hands
Radium and tritium lume on dials and in hands can look, from
a warm creamy white, orange to a bright yellow, is so much cooler than the
stark and sterile bright white look of LumiNova and Super-LumiNova found on new
watches made after 1998.So watch before
1998 is preferred as they have the chance to get “Vintage Look!”
The original sets of dot on the bezel, and the hands of the
watch is usually different colour under the watch over the decades… Unless that
the hands are looking so new with WHITE, or the bezel of a Pepsi GMT looks vivid
red instead of purple after 30 years, It is time for you to have counter check
by expert. As the hands or bezel may have been replaced with newer versions…
thence the watch value will drop.
A tropical (dark chocolate) dial is mots preferred and price
could be many time higher than the same watch of same age without tropical
If the cases were polished to remove scratches and make them
look like new, making the lugs a bit thinner in the process through the removal
of metal. A Fat boy is always preferred instead of a thin guy had been trimmed
off his fats.
Of particular interest and desirability is a black dial that
has turned brown or ‘tropical’ with fading over the years.
Note before you send your watch to Services at Rolex Service
They always ask your permission to change the dial, hands,
bezels even bracelet to new one.
They NEVER return your original parts after the service…
Whether how would they use the parts is a big questions to me… well, you can
guess… will they destroy it?
The dial of a Rolex Submariner can be 80% of the total price
of your Rolex given by your grandfather…
Net time think carefully before you send the watch to Rolex
My suggestion is KEEP it as it is as that is the Originality
history of the Watch.
Other choice, send it to some of the renowned watch
servicing company for a more intimate care to service your family heritage!
If you don’t like that Patina looks of the watch, give it to
me I buy you a Char Siu Rice…. And I don’t mind keeping it for you.
Should we go for new Release Rolex or a Known Vintage Rolex
as an investment project!? I have no definitely answer on this… as both are one
of the ways to make your Rolex becoming an investment item. It depends on Which
watch you buy.
Imagine that when the Daytona Zenith 16520 was released in
1989, I was able to buy it with HK$29,500 at Chow Tak Fook.
If I had made up my mind to purchase say ten pieces my
investment with Lump sum HK$280,250 probably I get extra less 5% discount. Total investment cost $280,250.
Well, I believe I can sell it now at each $180,000 each now
with NOS BNIB for black, so I could made
a profit of $1,519,750!
However note that if I put that Money on real estate we, in
1989, I could still buy a house with down payment of $300,000 by now it may be
having a net profit $2,000,000!
Rolex Submariner Hulk Ref 116610LV
So What’s Next!?
The Rolex Submariner and “The Incredible Hulk” completed
their unlikely 48-year collision course in 2010. While the renowned durability
of each may have been their only common thread for a half-century, the
Baselworld 2010 appearance of the Rolex Submariner 116610 LV “Incredible Hulk”
forever bound the two icons from Rolex and Marvel Comics.
This one doesn’t require much preamble; it’s a big green
Rolex Submariner. Combine the “Super Case”/”Maxi Dial” of 2008’s 116619
Submariner with a green bezel and a green dial, and you’re one online forum
quip away from a gamma-burst of Rolex collector infatuation.
This Incredible Hulk is listed at $68,100 at Rolex AD in
Hong Kong. I think I have seen there is no stock for one in three month is one
of my known AD shop…. So you still can put your name on the waiting list.. but
don’t think that they will call you to collect the watch…
It is selling from Dealer to dealer from $60,000, 2014,
$63,000 in 2015, $66,000 in 2016, $69,000 March 2017, and astonishing $72,000
by May 2017… (Crazy price)
From this data we know two things, generally Rolex had
reduced the making of Sport watch across all lines beginning of this year and
particularly lesser is made on Submariner Hulk.
I speculate this will be discontinued by 2018, Let’s watch
Out. After the discontinuing, the price will up to more than $80,000 immediately.And probably $120,000 by 2024.
Watchgret- watch regret
AD- Authorized dealer
NOS- new old stock
BNIB- brand new in box
Dollar indicted here is HKD – Hong Kong Dollar(1 USD- 7,75 HKD)