Tuesday, July 18, 2017
Pre-owned Daytona Ref 6265-0 on Sale
Rolex Daytona Ref 6265-0 Serial Number #:5527XXX
Approx year of release 1978-1979
It comes with Rolex Service paper
Note; That the dial is servce dial.
Perfect Running Condition.
HK$370,000
HK Snob
Tuesday, July 11, 2017
Rolex Daytona Zenith on Sale (Ref 16520)
Two Daytona Zenith Ref 16520 A Series is on Sale.
White one and Black one as pair.
Serious parties please give me a suggestion on this two items.
It is rare to get Full Set in pair like this.
This is a consignment by a Philippine Daytona Collector.
HK Snob
Sunday, July 9, 2017
Thursday, July 6, 2017
Rolex Collectible items for Sale
A Rolex Collector is willing to sell some of his private collection to serious Investors and or collectors.
They include:-
Daytona Ref 16520 black dial full set, A series
Daytona Ref 16520 Black Dial Full set, K -series, Patrizzi dial
Submariner 14060 flour liners Series M (2007) full sets NOS.
Contact me and discuss.
HK Snob
When Patek meets Audemars and Constantin,,,
The Big Three Musketeers of Swiss Watch.
I met two Philippine watch collectors in the hotel.
These are three watches that each carries a history of its own, no one could not gree that they are master of Swiss Watches…
These are three watches that each carries a history of its own, no one could not gree that they are master of Swiss Watches…
Patek Philippe (PP)
Polish watchmaker Antoni Patek started making pocket watches
in 1839 in Geneva, along with his fellow Czech-born Polish partner Franciszek
Czapek. They separated in 1844, and in 1845 Patek joined with the French
watchmaker Adrien Philippe, inventor of the key-less winding mechanism
Vacheron Constantin (VC)
The company was founded in 1755 by Jean-Marc Vacheron, an
independent watchmaker in Geneva, Switzerland. In 1770, his company created the
first complication, and nine years later he designed the first engine-turned
dials.
Audemars Piguet (AP) s
AP is a Swiss manufacturer of complicated
mechanical watches founded in 1875 by watch makers Jules-Louis Audemars and
Edward-Auguste Piguet.
These are their iconic sport designs till today.
PP Nautilius – Designed by Gerald Genta and launched in 1976.
AP Royal Oak – Deigned by Gerald Genta and Launched in 1972.
VC Overseas – Designed by Dino Modolo and launched in 1994,
and Chronograph was launched in 1999.
Basically they are automatic watch with power reserve for
about 40 hours
They are adjusted to 5 positions.
Water proof
VC – 150M
PP- 120M
AP-50M
Price PP s much more expensive than the AP and VC as it is
made of solid Pink gold.
Make your choice to take one you like, they are fine accurate
time piece that can service you for many decades.
HK Snob
Originality and Patina of a Rolex
Ref. 8171, Movement No. 56'924, Case No. 686'258, Circa 1951. 38mm diam. Sold for US$161,000 on 7 June 2016
A Rolex reference 8171 in stain steel that we sold at
Christie’s New York last June. A pilot purchased the watch in the early 1950s
and likely wore it for a few years until it stopped working for certain reason.
That is one of the most complicated watches ever made by Rolex and featured a
moon phase indicator as well as a complete calendar display. Probably due to
the complexity of the movement and the associated cost of servicing it, the
gentleman put it away and it passed down within the family unused for decades.
This Rolex stainless steel triple calendar with Moonhase and
patina. Signed Rolex, Perpetual, Precision, Ref. 8171, Movement No. 56'924,
Case No. 686'258, Circa 1951. 38mm diam. Sold for US$161,000 on 7 June 2016…..
Seems you don’t think that watch could hit that final bid amount the Auction!
It is due to its originality and Patina!
“Patina”
I open dictionary to find the meaning of “Patina”… Patina is
a green film formed naturally on copper and bronze by long exposure or
artificially (as by acids) and often valued aesthetically for its color, or a
surface appearance of something grown beautiful especially with age or use,
contacting the sunlight ultraviolet and or heat.
Eric Wind, Specialist in Watches in
New York, reflects on the move towards ‘honest’ vintage watches whose appeal is
enhanced by the ‘ravages’ of time:-
“One of the most interesting trend in vintage watch
collecting has been the desire to move away from watches that have been
restored and polished to look ‘like new’ in favour of watches in original
condition with honest patina. Nicks, scratches and fading that may have
developed over the course of decades of wear can enhance a watch’s desirability.”
This trend towards seeking honest patina has extended
worldwide, particularly over the last fifteen years, and is associated with a
massive growth in the number of vintage watch collectors. Many people are drawn
to vintage watches for the beauty of having something that looks old.
The concept that
collectors prize originality over restoration is one of the things that many
people find most surprising about collecting vintage watches.
Aged to perfection
The concept that collectors prize originality over
restoration is one of the things that many people find most surprising.
These are the points we might need to note when you get into
a Vintage Rolex.
Dial and hands
Radium and tritium lume on dials and in hands can look, from
a warm creamy white, orange to a bright yellow, is so much cooler than the
stark and sterile bright white look of LumiNova and Super-LumiNova found on new
watches made after 1998. So watch before
1998 is preferred as they have the chance to get “Vintage Look!”
The original sets of dot on the bezel, and the hands of the
watch is usually different colour under the watch over the decades… Unless that
the hands are looking so new with WHITE, or the bezel of a Pepsi GMT looks vivid
red instead of purple after 30 years, It is time for you to have counter check
by expert. As the hands or bezel may have been replaced with newer versions…
thence the watch value will drop.
A tropical (dark chocolate) dial is mots preferred and price
could be many time higher than the same watch of same age without tropical
dial.
Case
Preferred unpolished.
If the cases were polished to remove scratches and make them
look like new, making the lugs a bit thinner in the process through the removal
of metal. A Fat boy is always preferred instead of a thin guy had been trimmed
off his fats.
Of particular interest and desirability is a black dial that
has turned brown or ‘tropical’ with fading over the years.
Note before you send your watch to Services at Rolex Service
Centre:-
They always ask your permission to change the dial, hands,
bezels even bracelet to new one.
They NEVER return your original parts after the service…
Whether how would they use the parts is a big questions to me… well, you can
guess… will they destroy it?
The dial of a Rolex Submariner can be 80% of the total price
of your Rolex given by your grandfather…
Net time think carefully before you send the watch to Rolex
for service…
My suggestion is KEEP it as it is as that is the Originality
history of the Watch.
Other choice, send it to some of the renowned watch
servicing company for a more intimate care to service your family heritage!
If you don’t like that Patina looks of the watch, give it to
me I buy you a Char Siu Rice…. And I don’t mind keeping it for you.
HK Snob
Wednesday, July 5, 2017
Watch on Sale
Sea Dweller 1665 Patina Dial $570,000
Day Date Oyster Quartz 19018 Birch Dial $73,000
Submariner 5513 $125,000
Daytona 16520 A series $145,000
HK Snob
Rolex Investment.
Rolex Daytona Ref 16520
Since 1988 to 2000
Rolex Watchgret
Should we go for new Release Rolex or a Known Vintage Rolex
as an investment project!? I have no definitely answer on this… as both are one
of the ways to make your Rolex becoming an investment item. It depends on Which
watch you buy.
Imagine that when the Daytona Zenith 16520 was released in
1989, I was able to buy it with HK$29,500 at Chow Tak Fook.
If I had made up my mind to purchase say ten pieces my
investment with Lump sum HK$280,250 probably I get extra less 5% discount. Total investment cost $280,250.
Well, I believe I can sell it now at each $180,000 each now
with NOS BNIB for black, so I could made
a profit of $1,519,750!
However note that if I put that Money on real estate we, in
1989, I could still buy a house with down payment of $300,000 by now it may be
having a net profit $2,000,000!
Rolex Submariner Hulk Ref 116610LV
So What’s Next!?
The Rolex Submariner and “The Incredible Hulk” completed
their unlikely 48-year collision course in 2010. While the renowned durability
of each may have been their only common thread for a half-century, the
Baselworld 2010 appearance of the Rolex Submariner 116610 LV “Incredible Hulk”
forever bound the two icons from Rolex and Marvel Comics.
This one doesn’t require much preamble; it’s a big green
Rolex Submariner. Combine the “Super Case”/”Maxi Dial” of 2008’s 116619
Submariner with a green bezel and a green dial, and you’re one online forum
quip away from a gamma-burst of Rolex collector infatuation.
This Incredible Hulk is listed at $68,100 at Rolex AD in
Hong Kong. I think I have seen there is no stock for one in three month is one
of my known AD shop…. So you still can put your name on the waiting list.. but
don’t think that they will call you to collect the watch…
It is selling from Dealer to dealer from $60,000, 2014,
$63,000 in 2015, $66,000 in 2016, $69,000 March 2017, and astonishing $72,000
by May 2017… (Crazy price)
From this data we know two things, generally Rolex had
reduced the making of Sport watch across all lines beginning of this year and
particularly lesser is made on Submariner Hulk.
I speculate this will be discontinued by 2018, Let’s watch
Out. After the discontinuing, the price will up to more than $80,000 immediately. And probably $120,000 by 2024.
HK Snob
Abbreviation
Watchgret- watch regret
AD- Authorized dealer
NOS- new old stock
BNIB- brand new in box
Dollar indicted here is HKD – Hong Kong Dollar (1 USD- 7,75 HKD)
Sunday, July 2, 2017
Vacheron Constantin Overseas Chronograph
Vacheron Constantin Overseas (VC OS)
At end of 1994 VC decided to create a sports watch directly
getting its design cues from the 222 launched almost 20 years before: a tonneau
shaped case with a round serrated bezel this time in the form of a broken
Maltese cross. The design team was composed of Dino Modolo, independent
designer in charge of many Vacheron Condtantin designs of the time and Vincent
Kaufmann a in-house designer today heading the VC design team. First was
launched the time only model housing cal 1310 based on GP calibre 3100 in a
37mm case (also a 35mm model as well as a lady’s 24mm model was also launched)
including an extremely rare left hand version made in only 3 pieces, followed
in 1999 by the chronograph housing the Piguet based automatic calibre 1137
based on the Piguet calibre 1185 specially modified to add a big date
mechanism. “The success of the Overseas went beyond our expectations” says
Christian Selmoni Marketing Product and Product Development Director.
In 2004 brought a 42mm case that tailored the Overseas to
suit contemporary tastes for bolder styles and as larger watches.
A Casual Watch with touch of sportive look
“With time the Overseas has become symbolic of Vacheron
Constantin, but I don’t define it as a sports watch, but rather a casual watch.
A sports watch is made for sports, the Overseas of course can be worn during
sport activities but it is a discreet model which can be worn during week ends,
leisure periods and fit for every day use” says brand CEO Charly Torres.
His Rivals
From inception, it was clear that the Overseas would be exclusive piece. Compared to rivals Patek Philippe and Audemars Piguet, VC produces about half and one-third as many watches per year, respectively. In practice, the Overseas is even more scarce than the Nautilus and Royal Oak. While those watches have been on the market for decades, and many pre-owned models come to market alongside new versions, the 42 mm Overseas Chronograph featured here has been available only since 2004.
From inception, it was clear that the Overseas would be exclusive piece. Compared to rivals Patek Philippe and Audemars Piguet, VC produces about half and one-third as many watches per year, respectively. In practice, the Overseas is even more scarce than the Nautilus and Royal Oak. While those watches have been on the market for decades, and many pre-owned models come to market alongside new versions, the 42 mm Overseas Chronograph featured here has been available only since 2004.
The Big Date on OS.
The dial of the Overseas Chronograph is where Vacheron Constantin declares intent to distinguish itself from the Daytonas of the world. A double-digital grand date display at 12 o'clock offers good legibility and a feature that the Daytona can't match.
The dial of the Overseas Chronograph is where Vacheron Constantin declares intent to distinguish itself from the Daytonas of the world. A double-digital grand date display at 12 o'clock offers good legibility and a feature that the Daytona can't match.
Fine Touches on Design
Vacheron employs an intricate rose-lathe guilloché on the dial that adds visual interest and articulates the large open swaths of silver metal. Each of the chronograph subdials features a fine concentric circle pattern that speaks to VC's eye for detail. Grey anodized hands are an unique touch that really "pop" against the dark black tone of the dial, and matching applied indexes compound the effect; it's a standout.
Vacheron employs an intricate rose-lathe guilloché on the dial that adds visual interest and articulates the large open swaths of silver metal. Each of the chronograph subdials features a fine concentric circle pattern that speaks to VC's eye for detail. Grey anodized hands are an unique touch that really "pop" against the dark black tone of the dial, and matching applied indexes compound the effect; it's a standout.
VC case
VC's Overseas case is a newcomer to the sports watch scene, but it's well on its way to becoming a classic in its own right. The combination of a brushed case and polished bezel creates an impression of substance that eclipses the wrist presence of any Daytona. Thoughtful bezel faceting echos the signature Vacheron "Maltese Cross" logo and adds to the impact of the Overseas Chronograph.
VC's Overseas case is a newcomer to the sports watch scene, but it's well on its way to becoming a classic in its own right. The combination of a brushed case and polished bezel creates an impression of substance that eclipses the wrist presence of any Daytona. Thoughtful bezel faceting echos the signature Vacheron "Maltese Cross" logo and adds to the impact of the Overseas Chronograph.
VC OS under water
Beside Style, it comes with real substance is the Overseas Chronograph. While Audemars Piguet's Royal Oak Chronograph is barely suited to the kind of pool at 50 meters of resistance and Patek Philippe's $60,000 Nautilus 5980 chronograph is rated to 120m, the Overseas Chrono says it could survive at a 150 meter rating.
Beside Style, it comes with real substance is the Overseas Chronograph. While Audemars Piguet's Royal Oak Chronograph is barely suited to the kind of pool at 50 meters of resistance and Patek Philippe's $60,000 Nautilus 5980 chronograph is rated to 120m, the Overseas Chrono says it could survive at a 150 meter rating.
VC OS Calibre
The Overseas' F. Piguet (now Manufacture Blancpain) chronograph engine is a gem and a fitting power plant for a watch like the Overseas. In practice, its pushers are crisp, and its action is smooth. Under the hood, the finish is executed to a standard that's unmistakably Vacheron. Polishing, angling, and linear Côtes de Genève speak to the degree of effort that VC craftsmen invested in this watch.
The Overseas' F. Piguet (now Manufacture Blancpain) chronograph engine is a gem and a fitting power plant for a watch like the Overseas. In practice, its pushers are crisp, and its action is smooth. Under the hood, the finish is executed to a standard that's unmistakably Vacheron. Polishing, angling, and linear Côtes de Genève speak to the degree of effort that VC craftsmen invested in this watch.
If you're going to use a customer caliber, use the best, and
VC does it.
VC Deployed
A steel bracelet with double deployant action ensures comfort and security on the wrist.
A steel bracelet with double deployant action ensures comfort and security on the wrist.
Twin-trigger release permits easy removal when desired while
eliminating the potential for accidental deployment in the event of sudden
shock or a glancing blow. While comparisons to the Daytona generally favor the
Overseas, where the bracelet is concerned, VC absolutely leaves the Rolex for
dead.
Comparison with the legendary Daytona
Technical Specification
The Daytona's 4130 is versus the Piguet 1185 animating the
VC OS.
When the 1185 made its debut in 1987, it was the "Best
Of Breed", and the 1185 is for sure a very good chrono movement - column wheel
switched, friction engaged chrono works.
The 4130 is 30.5mm X
6.5mm, VS the 1185 is 26mm X 5.5mm.
The 4130 beats at 28.8 APH,
the 1185 at 21.6 APH.
The 4130 has 72 hour power reserve, the 1185 about 40 hours
The 4130 has an adjustable mass balance, the Piguet is pin
regulated;
The 4130 employs an overcoil terminated balance spring and the
1185 a flat balance spring.
Interesting comment on comparison between Daytona and VC OS.
Rolex Forums comment
*I have owned the 116520 and 116509 Daytonas. I have owned a
VC overseas, but the non-chronograph variant. I assume the finish and
workmanship of the Overseas and Overseas Chronograph are similar.
The VC was a higher quality level based on my examination of
the case and dial. Also nice touches like ceramic bearings on the rotor and
gold on edge of rotor to increase mass, along with Faraday shield for
anti-magnet properties. If I could of figured out how to wear the box on my
wrist I would have...... absolutely gorgeous furniture quality. Lastly, the
integration of the VC symbol the Maltese cross into the design of the bracelet
and bezel is very cool.
That said, I really like a Daytona and I really like the VC.
*I like them both, but they're not really in the same price
range. The Overseas lineup has a lot less heritage than the Daytona, and AFAIK
they don't have an in-house movement. Unlike a steel Daytona, with the Overseas
lineup you also have to face a huge depreciation after a new purchase.
If money no object, I'd get the VC, on the basis that I'm
not fond of the shiny bezel of the Daytona. And I kinda fancy the Overseas
bracelet, it looks unique.
*Frankly, I'm not totally in love with either. Here are my
observations:
DAYTONA: Oh-so-classic but I don't find it legible enough
and I think the current design of the subdials isn't as attractive as the
16520-Zenith-based one. I really wouldn't mind another 1-2mm in case size, same
thickness, but that is not a deal killer. The inability to buy a nice OEM
leather band for the SS models is just stupefying. On top of that, I would
really like a date function (without cyclops).
VCOSC: Not a "real" Vacheron Constantin as it
doesn't use a in-house movement but rather starting off with a Jaeger-LeCoultre
ebauche, even if the rework it. On top of that, I'm not really a fan of the
dial pattern but I do like the design of the sub-dials and the hands, date etc
are all in good harmony. Lastly, the pattern of the bracelet is not to my
taste. Having said all of this, I think the Chrono with slate dial (aka
"Deep Stream") on leather bracelet is really attractive.
I'd wait for Basel to see if there is any Daytona upgrade.
Otherwise I'd rather buy something like a JLC Master Control Chronograph today
if I needed a chrono.
came across pulling a trigger on a white dial VC Overseas
Auto and decided against it in the end. not having an in-house movement was one
of the reasons (yes, i know a non-in-house Daytona fetches quite abit too, but
we are talking about a VC here...)
dont get me wrong, i like VC as a company, but just can see
the "value" in their Overseas range anymore.... but one day i will
def. get my hands on a VC... and i already know which one i want
Daytona has a high resale value. Cal. 4130 is excellent
movement, but Daytona is not rare.
Overseas has an another great automatic chronograph calibre,
FP 1185. Rare, but has a low resale value.
If I were you, I would have a look on JLC MC Chrono models.
They look awesome.
* I've never understood why JLC isn't considered one of the
"top three". Patek, Audemars Piguet and Vacheron Constantin have all
used JLC movements. In the case of Patek & AP, at various stages, they both
bought the company to obtain the JLC movement secrets & then sold the
company on.
left APRO Chronograph, Right the VCOS
In large part, this is a matter of taste and style rather
than objective facts. Obviously,
comparing them both in the same metal and both on bracelets we have two
12-hour, 3-subdial chronographs with screw down crowns and pushers, and a good
case could be made for selecting either one. Some differences that might matter
to some buyers, one way or the other, are: The Daytona is apparently produced
in much larger numbers and is recognizable to many more non-WIS. To some this, is a plus, to others a minus.
The Daytona is 40 mm; the newer Overseas Chrono. is 42 mm. Some prefer one over the other. The Daytona
now uses an in-house movement; the Overseas Chrono. uses a modified F. Piguet
movement. Both are fine and plenty
accurate, but some people care about whether the movement was made by the same
company that owns the brand name. Daytona models vary in the legibility of the
time and subdial counters to a greater degree than Overseas Chrono.
models. Some people care about being
able to read the time or elapsed time, others not so much. The Daytona has no
date, while the Overseas has a large date (but not a very readable one to my
eyes). Some people care about a date.
The Daytona has as ordinary a bracelet as is made; the Overseas bracelet in
exceptional for stability, comfort, and design.
Some people prefer one over the other. The Daytona feels lighter and
more flimsy than the Overseas. Some
people prefer one over the other. The Daytona has a tach. scale that some
people care about. My own view is that a steel Daytona is just an ordinary
Rolex of no interest, while a steel Overseas Chrono. is a thing of beauty and a
great companion, but I recognize this is a choice based on taste and style, not
necessarily superior performance. The
white gold Daytona with silver dial on the other hand is something special for
which VC doesn't yet have a comparable offering. I still have my fingers crossed that VC will
someday make a white gold Overseas on a bracelet with a blue guilloche dial.
Park
My Comment
Both Daytona and VC OS carries similar size, with my wrist, size 38mm to 42 mm is suitable.
Both Daytona and VC OS carries similar size, with my wrist, size 38mm to 42 mm is suitable.
Daytona Zenith 16520 is more collectible as comparing with 115620
is no question, reflecting on their price.
Does not mean earlier is always better, but later is always
unknown to me as do one know how many they would have made until one day they
stopped making it.… always less is more… for Collector.
A Date is very important for my daily uses.
Branding is important so as why Patek Philippe, Audemars
Piguet… VC is an old watch makers back to 1755, whereas PP is 1839 and AP is
1875, needless to tell youngest here Rolex is 1905.
As for the VC OS, I just like the case and bracelet design, they
are timeless in term of the look, and the transformed “Maltese Cross"
bezel is a nice.
The less is more concepts… Do you know how hard to get an VC
222, Patek Nautilus 1976, or AP Royal Oak 1972 in gold or steel nowadays. Just because
it was made in small number…. So as their price would be very high… estimated price of a solid yellow gold 222 is
now US$30,000 to 38,000!
A steel APRO 1972 Jumbo is US$30,000.
Don’t mention a Daytona Paul Newman… which is very expensive now.
The watch is reflecting your style, taste and your image… So
long if you can afford a timeless time piece at a reasonable price…. That is
what we are looking for here.
HK Snob
PS
Parts of the information was obtained from various sites.
Source of the comment is From Rolex Forums, the hour Lounge
mainly.
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